PB Nitom Blog if so, do the benefits of total HPTA shut down (from lifelong TRT), outweigh the negatives of having low T? Steroids doesn’t shrink your penis but depending on your cycle and the drugs you use they will shut you down. Most guys use hcg during a cycle to keep the testicles their normal size, other guys use it right after a cycle to get their testicle size back and to stimulate them into producing testosterone. When restarting the HPTA you need to take them in account and also the conditions need to be right for the Axis to get rolling again. 20-Dec-2011, 01:33 PM #4. I found it surprising while doing AAS research there is little to NO data on return of HPTA function after stopping AAS of any type. An hCG beta blood test is much more sensitive than an HPT, and can detect pregnancy as early as 10 days after fertilization. Interestingly enough, this pregnant woman's hormone is effective to a point that some studies have shown it to be able to prevent testicular dysfunction during anabolic steroid use. It is not uncommon for fertility specialists to try both Clo mid and HCG and, in some cases, in conjunction with one another. The phase two HCG restart hopes to bring back normal testosterone levels and sensitize the leydig cells. This phase should be continued until it is determined by labs that the leydig cells are responsive to the LH hormone. When too much estrogen interacts with the estrogen receptors of the hypothalamus, there is a negative feed-back loop that tells the gland that there must be too much testosterone as well. In fact, the only research I am aware of is that dealing with contraception, a single oxandrolone study, and a very early study on body composition. After 8 weeks get blood work and then see where you're at ... {HPTA recovery during PCT} would be 25mg daily for no longer than a 2 week period while Nolvadex would be utilized for a total of 4 weeks at 20 to 40mg daily. What would be a good dose and for how long. ... and in turn, natural testosterone levels to also normalise. From my research clomid will get my hpta going again but it will also cause some intertesticlar e2 just like the hcg did. It is important for the HCG administration to have been completed with 6 or 7 clear days before the onset of PCT in order to avoid inhibition of the Nolvadex and/or Clomid therapy. HCG has been a utilized as a "partial cure" for the shut-down of the hypothalamus-pituitary-testes-axis (HPTA). Oral DHEA supplementation increased circulating DHEA-S and free testosterone levels well above baseline in the middle-aged group, with no significant effect on total testosterone levels. My T and E were always perfect, but my prog, preg, dhea we’re unbelievably low . An HPTA restart will comprise of two phases, HCG and AI use to activate the testicles to be receptive to the LH/FSH pulse when the medications are discontinued. Re: Suppression from hCG monotherapy. Hell, if the only thing you ran was HCG and no juice at all you'd still be throwing a wrench into your HPTA because you'd have so much test your body would say "well fuck it, we don't have to try as hard to make this shit anymore! Clinical research was done sampling intra-testicular testosterone [ITT] inside the tests with find needle extraction [ouch!] These authors would consider treatment with CC 25 mg daily with hCG 3000 IU every other day for 3 months, with a reassessment of the HPG axis and physical exam to ensure improvement before VR. CONCLUSIONS Before self medication, take heed to advise above and get BW done. Subjects were HPTA shutdown with T cyp injections, LH/FSH were close to zero in a couple of days. NPC Championships Age 59. The pituitary and hypothalamus part of the HPTA still sense no reason to produce gonadotropins and restore normal LH/FSH production. So ending HCG administration sometimes only brought on another crash. If a guy is off testosterone for months and he is not feeling "normal", but his levels are decent, maybe he has not achieved a "normal" level yet. I was thinking, I could make my first shot tomorrow 1000iu, and my last shot before PCT 1000iu, leaving me with only 500iu left … HCG only "replaces" natural LH. Every single hormone in the body has a negative feedback loop. HCG only "replaces" natural LH. Hard to fathom. Last edited by a moderator: Apr 22, 2007. fit4life05 Member. Hi, I’m coming off trt , after a year . I’m on hcg now at 500iu daily. Most anabolic steroids, especially the … Not all steroids do cause shut down of the feedback mechanism. Another generic name is Serophene. Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (hCG) is a fertility drug used mainly in women. HGH supplementation WILL suppress your pituitary. In simple terms, adding testosterone signals that you already have enough - so the system slows it down dramatically. HCG PCT has the ability to stimulate both testosterone production and spermiogenesis. HCG has been a utilized as a "partial cure" for the shut-down of the hypothalamus-pituitary-testes-axis (HPTA). Adding compounds like tren or deca will also adversely effect libido, leading people to believe they're shut down even harder. Why do you need to shut down your hpta to jump start it? Exogenous testosterone will stop the signaling, but there are other hormones which will contribute to shut-down as well such as prolactin and estrogen. So ending HCG administration sometimes only brought on another crash. ... What does hmg add to the mix that hcg can't do alone? The pituitary and hypothalamus part of the HPTA still sense no reason to produce gonadotropins and restore normal LH/FSH production. The point of PCT is to get it back going again. Everyone is different and you must also take into account how long you have been using a certain steroid and at what dose in order to determine if you need Clomid or not. HCG sees use in some PCT but that is a misconception because HCG works quickly and restores testicular volume giving the appearance of treatment however in the long run does not properly restart your HPTA. Using any exogenous hormone will cause suppression. Nolvadex, Clomid and HCG in Post Cycle Therapy By Bigfella & PartyBoy - MuscleTalk Moderators Why Bodybuilders Use Clomid Clomid is a generic name for Clomiphene Citrate and is a synthetic oestrogen. All HCG does is trick your balls into thinking it's still producing LH, but it's not. If you have any endogenous hpta action occurring, it would be suppressed because your body would recognize the work is being done without having to do anything, so it would shut down more. One more thing if the Hcg helps to get me back up and running can it shut my HPTA again. 2 weeks in , will probably do 2 more weeks if not more. It is prescribed medically to aid ovulation in low fertility females. I don’t think hcg … I know deca and fina shut down your HPTA hard. Hope that makes sense. One guy can do short moderate cycles and change his hormones forever. The body still produces some test, even if you're on HRT. Another can cycle heavily for 10+ years and then recover in … And yes, running HCG at this point will only mimic LH production and interrupt your HPTA feedback loop the same way injecting testosterone does. The second phase will comprise of medications to stimulate endogenous production of testosterone, both phases end when labs dictate they are done. Thanks . The most popular and probably effective is HCG while the test is metabolizing off, then clomid after that. This is referred to as the negative feedback loop. So ending HCG administration sometimes only brought on another crash. so I’ve finally got my hands on some hCG. HCG mimics Luteinizing H ormone thus telling the testes to create more natural testosterone, however it also shuts down LH and FSH, if anyone has had their bloods done after a shot of HCG you'll notice that LH / FSH are zero at this time. Week 1-4 HCG 1,000 EoD Week 1-6 Aromasin 12.5mg/Day week 4-9 Clomid 100,100,100, 50, 50. 05-21-2003, 08:20 PM #8. bigdelt69. On top of what's already been mentioned: If the reason guys took time to recover from a cycle of AAS was simply HPTA shutdown (negative feedback) from a decrease in LH/FSH, then the mildly supraphysiological levels you can get from using SERMs may arguably accelerate that process, though natural LH/FSH levels recover very rapidly as it is, and cell (if not receptor) … HCG or ‘Human chorionic gonadotropin’, is a hormone which plays different roles in male and female sexual development. Once testosterone has stopped being produced, it no longer sends this negative signal, and GnRH eventually begins to do its job again. I feel now it would be better to do low dose hcg mono or in combo with trt.. ... question. HCG only "replaces" natural LH. Go off HCG, it will keep you shut down, you've been on a month, that's enough. However, with a smart dosing protocol and a sensible dosage, suppression will be very minimal and a non-issue. I have 2 boxes, each with 3 vials containing 2000iu. Had myself tested and test levels still only at 300 I was going to do another 4 weeks of clomid but wanting to throw in a little gel or test cream which I can get, but don't want to shut down. Individual variability makes it hard to predict. The result is a dramatic unhealthy reduction, or even shut-down, of the HPTA and girl status for the owner of the saggy-sack problem. It is how the body works. If I start tomorrow doing 500iu 2x a week (including the 2 weeks before PCT), that comes to 10500iu, leaving me 1500iu extra to play with. This is how homeostasis is maintained in the human body. ... Will do with the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), thanx for the advice! Hcg does stimulate the leydig cells like LH does, but it’s not LH and it doesn’t do anything to the pituitary. You don't need to restart your testes when coming off of HCG Monotherapy obviously. Amateur Bodybuilder Join Date Jan 2003 Location AZ Posts 827 All steroids act similar to testosterone in the body, therefore they all shut you down. In men, hCG mimics the LH and keeps the testes from completely shutting down while anabolic steroids are being used. I would guess that 20% of those who have cycled regularly (2-3 per yr) and heavily (1g+ for 12+ wks) are on TRT. hCG dose has nothing to do with TRT dose. I have a friend on deca, and i am going to be using fina in mine, so we are in a similar situation. Now, if we use during cycle say 1000iu a week, or some like to use say 500iu 3 x a week, could this actually have a negative … LH (or HCG as its analog) is principally responsible for activating the P450 side chain cleavage enzyme which converts Cholesterol into Pregnenolone which not only supports adrenals but all 3 metabolic pathways. This dose of hCG is low enough that it may not cause full HPTA suppression. Stick with clomid, Nolva and aromasin. besides Fertility, is there any down stream or related consequences on someones health with a shut down HPTA for 50-60yrs? When a man is HPTA suppressed for any reason they need to take HCG for just this reason. The pituitary and hypothalamus part of the HPTA still sense no reason to produce gonadotropins and restore normal LH/FSH production. But there isn't a right answer. Typically, if your HPTA is shutdown, that means your body's natural production of testosterone is no longer operating. If this is the case then recovery to baseline should be relatively rapid, a few weeks at most. The time to use HCG is during the cycle when you shut down. Awards 0. So yes, higher dosages and longer cycles will shut you down more. I believe the most we can say with some degree of authority is HPTA dysfunction … The whole idea of supplementing with steroids is to override the mechanism for negative feedback. Unfortunately, there is much controversy among many fertility specialists regarding how much HCG should be administered for this purpose. Any TRT dose shuts down HPTA, causing LH/FSH—>zero. In women, hCG affects ovulation and fertility. True TRT should shut down someones HPTA and create a negative feedback environment permanently, correct? 08-22-2018, 01:52 PM #2 It's completely normal to have testicular atrophy during a cycle, you're shutting your system down. Answer: No, it’s not possible to take steroids and not affect this system. There is no clear cut 4 weeks of this and 2 weeks of that, … HCG has been a utilized as a "partial cure" for the shut-down of the hypothalamus-pituitary-testes-axis (HPTA). Latest blood show: LH 3.71 FSH 2.76. You're still shutting your system down.
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